Another 21 foot rule shooting incident

Mother of man killed by Fairview police disputes account of shooting

She waited outside. When the officers arrived, her son came to the door of their second-story apartment, at the top of 14-step staircase, holding a kitchen knife, 8 to 9 inches long. At the bottom of the stairs, officers unholstered weapons, she said.

"I said 'Put the knife down, Larry,' and they go, 'Drop the weapon! Drop the weapon,' and then they shot him three times. It happened that fast."

http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2012/01/mother_of_man_killed_by_gresha.html

(I am not so sure the 21 foot rule applies when the guy is up a flight of stairs.)

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http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2012/02/grand_jury_clears_two_fairview.html

Sgt. Bernie Meyer said the department has a "21-foot-rule" covering the shooting. Officers are taught that a knife-wielding suspect could run 21 feet before they could draw their weapons and fire.

21 foot rule explanation

Another gun forum discussion about 21 foot rule

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/general-firearm-discussion/22072-tueller-21-foot-rule-knife-wins-gun-loses-3.html

I like this comment:
"From concealed" being the operative term. When Sergeant Dennis Tueller invented the Tueller Drill, it was designed for trained police officers drawing from duty holsters on their hips, not for average citizens, most of whom have little or no training, drawing from concealment. 21 feet won't be enough for those citizens, not even close for most of them.

Paul Vunak - The Reality of a Knife

Guy Metzger in a knife fight -- a typical knife fight story

http://www.cagepotato.com/awesome-story-of-the-day-guy-mezger-saved-a-woman-from-knife-wielding-scumbag-last-month/

his story is very typical of people who get into fights that involve knives.

part of the article says

"After the brief “fight,” Mezger went to check on the woman to make sure she knew she was safe now and to see if she was hurt. In the meantime, the guy he just KO’ed came to and was even more incensed than he was before. “I didn’t expect him to get up....Somehow in there he pulled a knife out, but I really didn’t see it....I didn’t see him pull it out,” he recalled.

“He came at me and I knew he was coming, so I kind of pushed him away and side-stepped. He was throwing a really kind of wild punch, which I thought was a punch — I didn’t know he had a knife in his hand — and I kind of blocked it with my left and hit him with the right and knocked him out again. When he fell down, the knife fell out of his hand and I was like, ‘Oh, shit. I got lucky. I could have got stuck.’ I didn’t even see it. When I looked at my hand I saw a little bit of blood, so I just put pressure on it. I didn’t realize how bad it was.”

Modified Israeli Mossad Draw (IMD)

If you carry a gun without a round in the chamber, you are expecting someone to grab your gun away or you are severely brain damaged. You really think you will have two hands to get your gun into action? There is enough going on already to handicap yourself without a round in your chamber. Who cares what the Mossad does?

This is just stupid.

Real Gun Fighting

Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world

Part I



Part II

Surviving Edged Weapons

http://www.youtube.com/user/pekiti#grid/user/CB5A88D25B0CF7E8

This is the best video you could watch if you are a gun guy who thinks knives are a relic from the past and not something you have to worry about much.

Belt Sword System

http://pistol-forum.com/archive/index.php/t-2677.html

Pony up the money fools, I'll buy some more cardboard people.

Smut Cave ep.44: 21 Foot Rule