Cold Steel Trail Master

The cold steel trailmaster is small enough to carry on your person, but large enough to disable the gun hand.

How to deal with a knife attack

Crazy idea.. maybe these guys know how to respond to and or evade a knife attack. Do you think he could use these skills to evade a knife attack and return fire with a gun.. naw.. let's just back up in a straight line and have faith in a bullet taking 'em down...

knife attack simulation

Some people freeze when the knife comes out. It's easy to look at a youtube video or workout in your nice
martial arts gym or square range... but reality is quite the surprise variable.

Man cut's officers fingers

Question: Despite the bravado spoken by gun guys and written in forums about how they'd dispatch the sword guy so easily, why is it that this keeps happening? These guys traded, which means they BOTH lost. The theory is the gun guy has the advantage, the reality is that both the sword and the gun are both dangerous. The tool is less important that the level of training of the individual.. the the suitability of the weapon in regards to the variables of the situation. A hand grenade is great, but not a phone booth. DENVER (CBS4) – A man with a sword was shot and killed by police after almost severing an officer’s finger Saturday morning.

read more http://denver.cbslocal.com/2012/11/12/police-academy-instructor-explains-dealing-with-attacks/

kind of footwork you need to deal with the knife

it matters not what you have in your hands, gun, knife, nothing.. this is the footwork you need to survive a knife or sword attack. If you don't have it you can just take a knife while you are hoping your bullet is a one shot stopper....

you can get thrust with a knife quicker than you can draw the gun

the awareness myth

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/thug_stabs_man_in_buttocks_c3qEQF6KxvTHi5xMOrqJUK#ixzz26AhD7JO the myth that you are so aware that you won't let anyone stab you is comforting but not realistic.

The video shows the thug – wearing a white T-shirt, grey sweat pants and a black cap – enter the store before quickly pouncing on his unsuspecting victim and violently stabbing him in the buttocks several times before bolting from the store.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/queens/thug_stabs_man_in_buttocks_c3qEQF6KxvTHi5xMOrqJUK#ixzz26BhrDHgx

21 foot rule according to a police officer

I think he has been reading the blog. A police officer explains the 21 foot rule to a citizen.

Funny

Do not point you gun at anything you don't want to destroy

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/25/nyregion/police-decision-to-shoot-in-midtown-left-9-wounded.html?ref=jeffreyjohnson

This was a violation of gun safety laws. Do not point your gun at anything you do not wish to destroy.

Am I being stupid here or maybe I am making the point that gun safety laws are for the most part not designed for those 15 seconds that your life is on the line. They are for all the other times you are handling your gun at home, on the range etc. In a deadly force encounter, you may, like it or not, violate every single gun safety rule in your absolute focus on the goal... staying alive.

Teenager kills 8 with knife

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_KNIFE_ATTACK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-08-02-06-05-46

 A teenager killed eight people with a knife and wounded five more in northeast China after falling out with his girlfriend, state media said Thursday.

Knife vs. Shotgun

machetes are on the streets

Man attacks merchandise with machete

http://www.yumasun.com/news/-80320--.html

Yuma police are looking for a man who attacked junk food and other merchandise inside a gas station with a machete Wednesday afternoon. There were no injuries reported.

The incident happened at about 3:45 p.m. when a man, described by the Yuma Police Department as dark complected, about 5 feet 7 inches tall, and weighing about 160 pounds, entered the Barney’s gas station at 895 South 4th Avenue while wielding a machete in a threatening manner.

The man, who was wearing dark clothing and a dark colored bandana over his face, began shouting "your momma!" over and over again as he sliced open bags of junk food and other store merchandise.

Read more: http://www.yumasun.com/articles/-80320--.html#ixzz20Q4Eqtx2

Smith and Wesson forum talking about 21 foot rule with J frame revolver

http://smith-wessonforum.com/concealed-carry-self-defense/255541-21-foot-rule.html

this guy took multiple pistol rounds and didn't go down

another video for you gun guys who think that you will get your shots off on a knifer and it will stop him instantly.
Any hunter knows... sometimes they drop instantly, sometimes they act like nothing happened and operate for a period of time just fine.

Weapons-Based Martial Arts for Survival, by Bladefighter

"In survival situations, men use tools to get an edge over their opponents. If a man has a pistol, you want a rifle; if a man has a knife, you want a pistol and so on and so forth. Firearms are not very useful without training and the same can be said about bladed weapons such as knives and swords."

Read More.
http://www.survivalblog.com/2012/06/weapons-based-martial-arts-for-survival-by-bladefighter.html

mythbusters 21 foot rule review by flatland gun nut

Mythbusters recently did a horrible "21 Foot Rule" test (above). Many things were wrong with it (Adam saw the attack coming, gun was unloaded with safety on, etc) but we get the general idea. A knife-wielding maniac can close the distance pretty fast. More disturbing though, are some of the comments I've seen claiming that you shouldn't try for your gun in this situation, but rather should do karate on the knife-wielding maniac.

The main karate argument is that since you can't fire before you get stabbed, you should just fight the armed bad guy with your Chuck Norris skills.
read more
http://flatlandgunnut.blogspot.com/2012/06/21-foot-knife-wielding-maniac.html

Pekiti-Tirsia-Kali

Looking for Pekiti-Tirsia-Kali Training?
see http://www.bladefighting.com

Link to Mythbusters 21 foot rule video is here

mythbusters 21 foot rule video is here
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-duel-dilemmas/
here is the myth busters 21 foot rule video

The 21 foot rule! It could save your life.

forums talking about mythbusters and the 21 foot rule

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/163429-Uh-Oh-Mythbusters-is-going-to-test-the-quot-21-foot-rule-quot

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?p=4255420

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9401967776/m/74119120111/r/30219720111

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/general-firearm-discussion/26578-mythbusters-bringing-knife-gun-fight.html

21 foot fule with yard marks less than 2 seconds

Myth Busters 21 foot rule test

On mythbusters on Sunday night's episode (June 9th) they're going to test "Don't bring a knife to a gun-fight," and showed Jamie running at Adam screaming.

link to myth busters times and channels
http://dsc.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=1.13056.24704.3913.x

How come they didn't invite me to the show? Cheap bastards... I'll bet they watched my video.
I will be busting their butt if they don't do it right....

Philly Man Beats Philly Cop With His Own Baton Then Gets Shot Up

Police officer has no clue about distance, pulls out his gun but lets the guy get too close.

Cop shoots bad guy several times... bad guy still wants to fight. He didn't go down.

You can say whatever you want on those forums, but in reality it happens all the time.

21 foot rule, police against an ax

http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2012/may/24/expert-testifies-bainbridge-police-did-the-right/

He stressed that Bainbridge police followed what he called the "21-foot rule." An officer must shoot an aggressive suspect if they come within 21 feet and are carrying a deadly weapon. The shooting should continue until the suspect falls to the ground, he said.

Read more: http://www.kitsapsun.com/news/2012/may/24/expert-testifies-bainbridge-police-did-the-right/#ixzz1vtLhIbWh

Dangers of the knife for LEO

21 foot rule with Cold Steel Trailmaster

The T-shirt says "Bleed Out..tapping out is for sports."

http://www.cafepress.com/slashslash.360709207

21 foot rule with concealed sword

21 foot rule different than tueller drill

21 foot fule with yard marks less than 2 seconds

The Bugout Guyhttp://www.thebugoutguy.com

Massad Ayoob talking about stand your ground and 21 foot rule

Massad Ayoob, Firearms Trainer, author of "In the Gravest Extreme". Since the tragic shooting death of Trayvon Martin, Florida's Stand Your Ground law has come under intense scrutiny. Florida governor Rick Scott is presently forming a task force to reexamine that state's law. Critics argue that such laws have led to shootouts over petty disputes and have hampered police investigations with a sweeping grant of legal immunity. Supporters of the Stand Your Ground law say it does not apply to the Martin case and that such laws merely protect those who use a firearm in self-defense from prosecution and financially ruinous litigation. In this video Captain Ayoob discusses what these laws actually cover and what has happened in the 24 states that have enacted them since 2005.

interesting discussion about 21 foot rule law and stand your ground

http://www.mnguntalk.com/viewtopic.php?f=52&p=347940

some guy in a forum offering advice on 21 foot rule

http://www.mdshooters.com/showthread.php?p=1640022

I agree with some.. don't agree with parrying with the non gun hand. Use your feet.

Knife vs. Gun: Knife guy shot but still attacking

Bringing a Knife to a Gunfight: On April 29, 2012, at about 1:55 pm, Tyler [TX] Police received a 911 call of a man with a gun shooting in the area of Richfield Drive.  Once officers arrived at the scene, they found two white males on the ground in an alley way behind 7109 Richfield.  Officers learned that Lewis Hampton, a white male age 41, had threatened several people with a large knife.  One white male, who was threatened by Hampton, had a handgun in his possession.  He confronted Hampton in an effort to protect himself and others.  Hampton continued to use the knife and continued to threaten the victim and others.  Hampton eventually cut the victim with the knife at which point the victim shot Hampton.  After being shot, Hampton continued to verbally threaten and attack him.  The victim shot Hampton again.  At this point, other people were able to subdue Hampton until Tyler Police arrived.  Hampton was transported to a local hospital where he was treated for two gunshot wounds.  The victim was also transported to a local hospital where he was treated and released for several knife wounds.  Investigators were called to the scene as well as the Crime Scene Unit to process the scene.  Investigators believe at this point that the victim was acting in self-defense...

http://www.kltv.com/story/17926183/two-men-injured-after-altercation-including-a-gun-and-a-knife

Law Enforcement versus the knife Videos

This video shows Grand Tuhon Leo T. Gaje, Jr., showing his Law Enforcement techniques to be used against a knife attack. This the same person that was in "Surviving Edged Weapons" along side Guro Dan Inosanto.

Anyone who might face a knife attack shoould get this video.

http://www.comparestyles.com/tuhongajevideodvdknife.html

http://www.comparestyles.com/tuhongajevideodvdknife.html

More gun guys talking about knives....in a forum

http://zombiehunters.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=107&t=91491&start=192

Even MORE gun guys talking about the 21 foot rule

http://forum.opencarry.org/forums/showthread.php?100840-Can-you-Survive-A-Knife-Attack-While-OCing

Gun guys in yet another forum talking about the 21 foot rule

http://www.xdtalk.com/forums/ccw-talk/196667-21-foot-rule-knife-attack.html

Landlord thrown in jail after trying to collect rent at swordpoint

Lakeland, Florida - An angry Lakeland landlord swung a sword at two tenants and held them against their will by screwing a piece of plywood over their bedroom door

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=14061

Brandon woman slices sister with samurai sword

Brandon, Florida - Hillsborough deputies say 42-year-old Annette Smith was angry at her sister, so she sliced her with a samurai sword.

Smith was arrested at her Brandon home early Wednesday morning.

Authorities say Smith was waving the sword around and yelling at her sister when she made a 4-inch cut into her sister's abdomen.

The arrest affidavit states the sister tried to grab the sword, and was cut on her left fingers and hand. She has a severed tendon in her middle finger that will require surgery.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=72304

Cops: Man used sword, guitar in tattoo shop attack

While the artist was giving the customer a tattoo, Gay came around a corner holding a long sword in one hand and a guitar in the other and struck the artist in his shoulder with the sword and hit him in the back of his head with the guitar, according to an arrest affidavit.
http://lakeland.wtsp.com/news/news/cops-man-used-sword-guitar-tattoo-shop-attack/52323

Tampa man guilty in samurai sword killing

TAMPA, Fla. (AP) — A Tampa jury has found a man guilty of second-degree murder in a samurai sword attack on his estranged wife's boyfriend.

Prosecutors said 47-year-old Willie Tarpley Jr. fatally stabbed Lee Alexander because he was enraged his family had fallen apart.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=77486

Man allegedly kills roommate with sword

http://www.wtsp.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=122573

Man Killed after trying to enter with sword

Another example of how your "no one gets attacked with sword" is wishful thinking.

http://www.wtsp.com/news/article/245726/19/Man-killed-after-trying-to-enter-home-with-sword

Why bladed weapons are still relevant today

another forum talking about the 21 foot rule

http://www.survivalistboards.com/showthread.php?p=3805021#post3805021

Sword attacked in a car

Hand Past Cover

The citizens are terrorists?

http://www.policeone.com/training/videos/4981527-Terrorist-Threat-in-the-US/

Is he saying that protect and serve is over and the police are now soldiers? So citizens are now suspects? What is he saying exactly? Are citizens the new terror threat?

Is militarizing the police a good idea?

Justice Breyer robbed by machete-wielding intruder at West Indies vacation home

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/02/13/justice-breyer-robbed-at-west-indies-vacation-home/

some idiots say you will never be attacked by anyone with a sword or machete.

Seattle Police "engaged in a pattern of excessive force that violates federal law and the Constitution."

Inside SPD's Use–Of–Force Training: In December, the Justice Department determined that the Seattle Police "engaged in a pattern of excessive force that violates federal law and the Constitution." How are police trained? When is force elevated? What is it like to come face–to–face with an armed suspect? What is the "21–foot rule?" We look deeper at police use of force today.

http://kuow.org/program.php?id=25921

keeping everyone 21 feet away impossible

http://limatunesrangediary.blogspot.com/2012/02/twenty-one-foot-rule-be-hanged.html

That being said, whenever I see self defense situations discussed on forums, facebook pages, Youtube and the like I am overwhelmed by how many people spout phrases along the lines of, "If you let someone get that close to you, you have already failed," or, "I would never let someone that close to me." Then someone, somewhere, will bring up the Tueller Drill (or, in lay terms, the 21-foot rule) and say something like, "If a bad guy gets within 21 feet of you you're dead!"

Gun forum advice

this guy maybe doesn't have it all right, but he is on to something.

 If you ask someone who carries a pistol about dealing with edged weapons they will likely mumble something about “not bringing a knife to a gun fight”, or something even less understandable about the 21 foot rule. Most of them will have never done the 21 foot drill, and if they did they probably concentrated on drawing and putting rounds on target instead of getting cut.

Even though the research screams that you are very unlikely to see the edged weapon you are attacked with, for some reason we just cannot let go of training to shoot a bad guy holding a butcher knife glaring at us from seven yards away. We either train against that or the same guy charging us when he is given the signal. For our purposes here we will discuss the latter.

http://ingunowners.com/forums/carry_issues_and_self_defense/194023-using_the_21_foot_drill_as_a_tool.html

and here a different forum with the exact posting but different people replying:
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=1219595

Yeah, I am watching you and I know what you think.

21 foot rule against a butter knife in the hands of a 15 year old

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/02/01/boy-15-shot-dead-by-police-in-calumet-city/

I wasn't there but this concerns me.

Another keyboard warrior with stupid questions

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=114742

Another 21 foot rule shooting incident

Mother of man killed by Fairview police disputes account of shooting

She waited outside. When the officers arrived, her son came to the door of their second-story apartment, at the top of 14-step staircase, holding a kitchen knife, 8 to 9 inches long. At the bottom of the stairs, officers unholstered weapons, she said.

"I said 'Put the knife down, Larry,' and they go, 'Drop the weapon! Drop the weapon,' and then they shot him three times. It happened that fast."

http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2012/01/mother_of_man_killed_by_gresha.html

(I am not so sure the 21 foot rule applies when the guy is up a flight of stairs.)

=============Update==================




http://www.oregonlive.com/gresham/index.ssf/2012/02/grand_jury_clears_two_fairview.html

Sgt. Bernie Meyer said the department has a "21-foot-rule" covering the shooting. Officers are taught that a knife-wielding suspect could run 21 feet before they could draw their weapons and fire.

21 foot rule explanation

Another gun forum discussion about 21 foot rule

http://www.usacarry.com/forums/general-firearm-discussion/22072-tueller-21-foot-rule-knife-wins-gun-loses-3.html

I like this comment:
"From concealed" being the operative term. When Sergeant Dennis Tueller invented the Tueller Drill, it was designed for trained police officers drawing from duty holsters on their hips, not for average citizens, most of whom have little or no training, drawing from concealment. 21 feet won't be enough for those citizens, not even close for most of them.

Paul Vunak - The Reality of a Knife

Guy Metzger in a knife fight -- a typical knife fight story

http://www.cagepotato.com/awesome-story-of-the-day-guy-mezger-saved-a-woman-from-knife-wielding-scumbag-last-month/

his story is very typical of people who get into fights that involve knives.

part of the article says

"After the brief “fight,” Mezger went to check on the woman to make sure she knew she was safe now and to see if she was hurt. In the meantime, the guy he just KO’ed came to and was even more incensed than he was before. “I didn’t expect him to get up....Somehow in there he pulled a knife out, but I really didn’t see it....I didn’t see him pull it out,” he recalled.

“He came at me and I knew he was coming, so I kind of pushed him away and side-stepped. He was throwing a really kind of wild punch, which I thought was a punch — I didn’t know he had a knife in his hand — and I kind of blocked it with my left and hit him with the right and knocked him out again. When he fell down, the knife fell out of his hand and I was like, ‘Oh, shit. I got lucky. I could have got stuck.’ I didn’t even see it. When I looked at my hand I saw a little bit of blood, so I just put pressure on it. I didn’t realize how bad it was.”

Modified Israeli Mossad Draw (IMD)

If you carry a gun without a round in the chamber, you are expecting someone to grab your gun away or you are severely brain damaged. You really think you will have two hands to get your gun into action? There is enough going on already to handicap yourself without a round in your chamber. Who cares what the Mossad does?

This is just stupid.

Real Gun Fighting

Proof that Concealed Carry permit holders live in a dream world

Part I



Part II

Surviving Edged Weapons

http://www.youtube.com/user/pekiti#grid/user/CB5A88D25B0CF7E8

This is the best video you could watch if you are a gun guy who thinks knives are a relic from the past and not something you have to worry about much.

Belt Sword System

http://pistol-forum.com/archive/index.php/t-2677.html

Pony up the money fools, I'll buy some more cardboard people.

Smut Cave ep.44: 21 Foot Rule